AFTER THE AWE IT'S SAD THE EVIL WINS THE GOOD LEAVE
A lot to read but after the all the awe of the Israeli might, you see the Islamists and extremists win if they win and win if they lose or tie............ Syria and Iran rejoice as Israel is forced to inflict damage and death onto the 1 Arab country that is a fledgling/struggling Democracy and better yet has a powerful Liberal/Secular and Christian community in Government and Business sectors.
Israel needs to defeat Hezbollah - Get their soldiers back - get some security and quiet on their Northern Border - and not turn the average Lebanese Christian and Secularist who does not like Hezbollah against them........... ie............. IMPOSSIBLE.
Hezbollah and Syria want the other liberal and progressive communities in Lebanon to be hurt economically, financially and with their lives by Israel. So they position their fight in civilian neighborhoods and relentlessly shoot rockets into Israel.
Here are a few posts I've read.
Sandmonkey (Sam) from Egypt
The Difference between our (Egyptian) Left and their (Israeli) Left
- But then I rememebrd that we- the majority of us (Egyptians and Arabs) anyway- don't want peace with Israel, and are not interested in any real dialogue with them. We weren't then and we are not now. The Entire peace process has always been about getting the land back, not establishing better relations. Even when we do get the land back, it's not enough.
- People in Egypt lament daily the Camp David treaty that prevents us from fighting. In Gaza they never stopped trying to attack Israel. In Lebanon Hezbollah continued attacking even after the Israeli withdrawal. And the people- the majority of the arab population- support it. Very few of us are really interested in having any lasting Peace or co-existance. I mean, if our left is asking for war, what do you think the rest of the population is thinking?
- I think that the Israeli want peace with us because they don't want their lives disrupted. They don't want to have the IDF soldiers fighting in Gaza, rockets coming into their towns from Hamas or having to go to wars against Hezbollah to get their soldiers back. I think they want peace because they want their peace of mind. They view us as if we were a headache. We view them as if they are a cancer.
And this is why there will never really be any peace in the middle-east.
- Israel has a right - nay, a moral obligation - to defend itself and rescue the kidnapped. But what kind of down-the-rabbit-hole war is this, where the guilty parties - the Baath regime in Syria and the Jihad regime in Iran - sleep warm in their beds while Beirut, a libertine city they hate, takes the punishment for them?
- The dictators in the region have always been happy to fight the Israelis to the last Palestinian. Now it looks like they're happy to fight the Israelis to the last Lebanese, too. And why not? Lebanon is a relatively liberal and almost half Christian sort-of democracy. Can't have any of that in the region if you're a totalitarian mullah. It suits Tehran just fine if the Jews slug it out with such people.
- Bashar al-Assad promised to make Lebanon burn if his Syrian occupation soldiers were forced out of the country. No doubt he is ecstatic at this latest turn of events. His principal enemies are killing each other instead of teaming up against him like they would in a better and more intelligent world.
- Israel and Lebanon are the two freest countries in the Middle East. They are the only countries, aside from tortured Iraq, that hold unrigged elections for parliaments and heads of state. The tyrants to their east have pulled quite a coup, haven't they? The two countries friendliest to America and to liberal Western values are now shooting each other. (The Lebanese army, which has cooperated with Israel in the past behind the scenes, is now firing anti-aircraft guns at Israeli planes.)
- What should the Israelis have done instead? They should have treated Hezbollahland as a country, which it basically is, and attacked it. They should have treated Lebanon as a separate country, which it basically is, and left it alone. Mainstream Lebanese have no problem when Israel hammers Hezbollah in its little enclave. Somebody has to do it, and it cannot be them. If you want to embolden Lebanese to work with Israelis against Hezbollah, or at least move in to Hezbollah's bombed out positions, don't attack all of Lebanon.
- Israel should not have bombed Central Beirut, which was almost monolithically anti-Hezbollah. They should not have bombed my old neighborhood, which was almost monolithically anti-Hezbollah. They should not have bombed the Maronite city of Jounieh, which was not merely anti-Hezbollah but also somewhat pro-Israel.
- Israelis thinks everyone hates them. It isn't true, especially not in Lebanon. But they will make it so if they do not pay more attention to the internal characteristics of neighboring countries. "The Arabs" do not exist as a bloc except in the feverish dreams of the Nasserists and the Baath.
- You've made this country unliveable for the people fighting to disarm Hezbollah.
Guess what? I'm leaving. Yep. Me.
Where am I going? Syria. Didn't want to, but I have to. The people we marched against are the ones you sent us begging to. The people who assassinated our leaders, (Syria) kept us from having an operating democracy, and who armed Hezbollah are laughing it up because they've won the game because of you.
Bashar Assad said Lebanon would be destroyed if he left. I didn't know the Israelis would play into his game. It's not surprising that Syrian-allied Hezbollah started the mess, but you guys are just vicious.
- All my Hezbollah supporting friends are sticking around. They call the rest of us cowards. I guess we are. We want to do scientific research. We want our children to learn how to play the piano. We want to watch our stock porfolios burgeon. We can't do that here any more.
I tried to sympathize with you. I didn't support Hezbollah, and if you look at the posts before this conflict began, I was maligning the political parties that oppose Hezbollah for not doing enough.
- I even gave you guys the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of this, as did most Lebanese. Even the Shia, Christians, and Druze in South Lebanon understood your position. Not any more. Everyone Who Thinks Israel's Campaign is Just Fine and Dandy
- Just as we point out how stupid Hezbollah is, we also have to mention how stupid some of Israel's actions are.
- Today the Israeli air force bombed the port of Abdeh near Tripoli in North Lebanon. At least 14 people were killed including 8 Lebanese soldiers. The same soldiers Israel wishes to see on its borders with Lebanon. How ironic right?!
- In addition to that, in case Israel's military commanders don't know, the north of Lebanon has no hezbollah. Zero Hezbollah. This area is inhabited by Sunnis and Christians, many of them do not even like Hezbollah and its God like status in Lebanon.
- Well, Israel bombed the port so Hezbollah won't receive shipments from Iran and Syria. Crap! Israeli ships are patrolling the sea, how on earth will a ship carrying missiles and rockets pass through them?? (Good point I would like to know the answer here)
- Collective punishment of all Lebanese is wrong, stupid, and very counterproductive.
The mood is changing in the region. Arab governments for the first time are starting to criticize Hezbollah. The Lebanese government for the very first time said something about extending its authority over the south. Please Israel, pleaaaase, don't screw up that. Don't act like Hezbollah.
- With the exception of the Palestinians, the Arab world appears to be united in blaming Iran and Syria for the fighting in Lebanon. Until last week, Arab political analysts and government officials were reluctant to criticize Hizbullah in public. But now that Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah and his top aides are in hiding, an anti-Hizbullah coalition is emerging not only in Lebanon, but in several other Arab countries as well.
The Palestinians and Hizbullah feel that their Arab brethren have once again turned their backs on them. On Monday, hundreds of Palestinians who marched in downtown Ramallah in support of Hizbullah chanted: “Hassan Nasrallah is our hero, the rest of the Arab leaders are cowards” and “O beloved Abu Hadi [Nasrallah’s nickname], bomb, bomb Tel Aviv.”
- The second battle cry is reminiscent of the famous slogan the Palestinians used during the first Gulf War: “O beloved Saddam, bomb, bomb Tel Aviv.”
- Hizbullah and their supporters were hoping that the massive Israeli military operation in Lebanon would trigger large-scale protests throughout the Arab world, creating instability and threatening to bring down some of the Arab regimes.
- But the response on the Arab street has been so disappointing for Hizbullah that its leaders are now openly talking about an Arab “conspiracy” to liquidate the Shi’ite organization. The few Hizbullah supporters in Ramallah, the Gaza Strip and some Arab capitals have therefore been directing most of their criticism against the Arab presidents and monarchs, accusing them of serving the interests of the US and Israel.
- The anti-Hizbullah coalition, which appears to be growing with every Israeli missile that drops on the heads of Hizbullah leaders and headquarters, is spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. These three countries, together with many Arab commentators and political analysts, are convinced that the leaders of Teheran and Damascus are using Hizbullah to divert attention from Iran’s nuclear program and Syria’s involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.